I see no difference in city growth with or without inside transport – Train Fever

I see no difference in city growth with or without inside transport

douglas — Sat, 27 Sep 2014 00:43:02 +0000

I have all the cities in a map connected. 2 cities have the exact same connections, one to another and 1 more city. Exact same frequency since they are served by the same line. Receives 100% of demanded goods.

One have tram lines, 4 of them since decades. The other never got inside transportation.

One have 736 population, the other 738.

Whats up with city growth?

If the game mechanics is like this I will never make inside transport. If you make inside transport in all cities of the map you will be replacing trams/buses 24/7. The message of replace vehicles is there every single month. So annoying.

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omoikane — Sat, 27 Sep 2014 04:47:02 +0000

No. It affects population growth.

I experienced steep increase in population for replacing old slow bus lines to faster tram/bus lines.

Your result is because providing better transport will be affected both connected towns

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Yeol — Sat, 27 Sep 2014 07:16:47 +0000

Inside transport is not going to affect the city growth. Poeple can easily walk within 20 minutes from one end of the city to the other. They can get everywhere without public transport. So for the city it makes no difference.

Inside transport has 2 functions: get poeple arround FASTER, so they spend less time walking, and therefor have more time to go to take a train to another city. And, you get rich by transporting those poeple faster then they can walk… until automobile it taking over.

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douglas — Sat, 27 Sep 2014 14:11:51 +0000

Exactly, until automobile take over, making inside transport very hard to be profitable. Also with all the draw back of that I prefer to not border with it.

– Too many vehicles to replace all the time;

– Trams jam themselves sometimes in a impossible way to fix it;

– Increase traffic jam of cars;

– Hardly profitable;

– Not a noticeable increase in city development.

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Klinn — Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:08:59 +0000

This may be a “your mileage may vary” situation. When I was trying to get a town of 750 people, it was barely growing and holding around 650 despite ample cargo supply and passenger train connections. I added a town transit service and bam! Another 100 population within a year.

But I rarely provide trams or buses mostly because, as you mentioned, it’s such a pain to regularly replace the vehicles all the time. I wish there was an automatic “replace/upgrade until I tell you not to” option associated with the route or road vehicle garage.

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douglas — Sat, 27 Sep 2014 21:25:00 +0000

Yes there is a boost in growth after you build a station. Any station, train or bus or tram. But what happens after the BAM ? Rate of growth is improved? Clearly not otherwise I wouldn’t have 2 cities in different conditions with same amount of inhabitants.

I think the cities in game is not suppose to grow too fast. They are limited to grow slow to not take over the entire map. And some new constructions and upgrades happen after you make a station to make you feel you have an influence on that. But after the first BAM all you get is steady growth. All cities have a slow steady growth.

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Klinn — Sat, 27 Sep 2014 22:41:27 +0000

Good point. All I noticed was the initial impact of transit, not any change on the actual long-term growth rate.

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omoikane — Sun, 28 Sep 2014 00:54:44 +0000

Yes. I don’t know city growth is limited or not but my biggest city has only 2300 people in 1966 is tiny for one ‘city’ (unless there’s no huge lag/framedrop probably caused by population)

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Neldot — Sun, 28 Sep 2014 00:54:50 +0000

I regularly add tram lines to my hub cities, and I currently got in a city a population of 1500 in only 80 years (1850>1930), on hard difficulty. The city has 2 train lines, 5 tram lines and 1 truck line for goods.

I think that the secret is having an high % of population using your lines in the city. In the city that I mentioned I have 90%, but I think that a 70/80% is enough to stimulate city growth. I see that cities with 50% or less have almost no growth. Of course, you must also have the goods need completely fulfilled.

To make the population use you service (and to have a good profit too), your lines must connect strategic points (using the zone map).

What a pity that in 1930 my game is already almost unplayable due to the high lag, there is too much people moving around. When a lot of cars will appear in 1940/50, my map will completely freeze….

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omoikane — Sun, 28 Sep 2014 01:57:49 +0000

Yes. I also suspect ‘high % of population using lines’ is important for growing. and with over 90% of usage, even I hit 1960 there’s not very much private car traffic in city roads.